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Trinity On Trial

Trinity on Trial – The Verdict

Slightly edited version of this original writing by K.N. Stovra

“Do not bear false witness.”

[Judge]: State your name

[Defendant]: Athanasius Trinitarian

[Crown Prosecutor]: Mr. Trinitarian, do you understand the charges?

Trinitarian: Yes, I most certainly do.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, do you believe Hades is the realm of the dead?

Trinitarian: Yes, however I do not personally believe this is where Christians go when they die but some of my brothers do believe this to be the case.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, do you believe it would be correct to say the inhabitants of Hades, the realm of the dead, are dead?

Trinitarian: Yes, obviously. It is the abode of the dead.

Crown: So they are not living but dead?

Trinitarian: Yes, obviously.

Crown: Could you describe for me the false anti christ teaching John the Beloved Apostle mentions in his first and second letters?

Trinitarian: Most certainly. Essentially, some false prophets were teaching that the”Christ” was a spiritual entity that appeared as a man incognito,that is, “the Christ entity”only appeared to be a man of flesh, but really was not himself that flesh that suffered and died. The “Christ” appeared in the body of the man named Jesus of Nazareth and at the point of his death, this spiritual entity -“Christ” – escaped from the cross. They believed the divine Christ could not suffer death because he was divine and so he left that humanity behind on the cross and the man Jesus was dead, but the spiritual persona that left him behind did not die. This is why John opens his first letter by indicating that the apostles had physically touched the Word of life, that is, they touched Christ’s flesh. And later John teaches them that anyone who does not confess Christ coming in the flesh is the spirit of the anti christ. John tells us at 1 John 4:2-3 and 2 John 1:7 these men were deceivers teaching in the spirit of the anti christ is how you can test for these deceiving spirits.

Crown: Very insightful and interesting Mr. Trinitarian. You don’t believe anything like that do you?

Trinitarian: Oh, goodness no. We Trinitarians all believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Crown: Are you sure about that Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Absolutely.

Crown: Let me ask you one more time Mr. Trinitarian, are you sure that you don’t believe anything like what you just described?

Trinitarian: Totally sure.

Crown: So you really do believe the person Jesus truly died and was truly dead?

Trinitarian: Absolutely.

Crown: Can God die and be that dead flesh Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Absolutely not. Just as God cannot lie, God cannot die and be dead. God is life by definition. That is why Jesus took a human nature to himself – so he could die.

Crown: So you do believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh then Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Absolutely.

Crown: And you also believe this Jesus, the Son of God, was also God the Son, the second person of the

Trinity, correct?

Trinitarian: Absolutely.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, did you not already testify that God could not be dead?

Trinitarian: Absolutely.

Crown: Well Mr. Trinitarian, now you are telling us that this person who died and was dead and buried was God. Aren’t you contradicting yourself Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Oh goodness no. God did not die. The man Jesus died and was dead and buried.

Crown: So, the Son of God was two people Mr. Trinitarian? There was one person who was God the Son and another person who was a man named Jesus of Nazareth? And the person Jesus was dead but the person God the Son was not?

Trinitarian: No, no. You don’t understand. Jesus Christ was one person who had two natures: one divine and one human. He was fully God and fully man.

Crown: So then Mr. Trinitarian, there is only one person then. Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, absolutely.

Crown: Are you sure?

Trinitarian: No doubt about it.

Crown: So who was dead and buried in the tomb, Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: I already told you. The man Jesus was dead in the tomb.

Crown: So God the Son was dead in the tomb then? Is that correct?

Trinitarian: No, God the Son was elsewhere. I don’t know where he was personally. Some say he preached the gospel to the dead spirits in Hades and others say he was in heaven.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, now we are back to two people again. We have one person Jesus who is the dead man in the tomb and another person who is God the Son who is”elsewhere.” Mr. Trinitarian, was Jesus Christ one person or two?

Trinitarian: One.

Crown: Well now Mr. Trinitarian, we seem to have a little problem here don’t we? Where was that one person? Was the person Jesus dead in the tomb or not?

Trinitarian: Yes, he was in the tomb!

Crown: So God was that dead flesh in the tomb, Mr.Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: No, God cannot die, or be dead! God the Son died in his humanity but he himself did not die.

Crown: What exactly do you mean by this phrase, “God died ‘in his humanity’,” Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: God the Son had two natures. He did not die in his divinity. He died in his humanity, in his human nature.

Crown: I see. So what you are saying is that a person didn’t really die but a nature this person happened to possess died and was dead? In other words, the nature he owned died and was dead but he himself wasn’t dead?

Trinitarian: No, no. Jesus died and was truly dead. You aren’t going to catch me with your clever words. If I said a person didn’t die then I would be admitting the person Jesus didn’t die. No, Jesus died but he died in his humanity, not in his divinity.

Crown: I see. So a person did truly die and was truly dead?

Trinitarian: Yes. Death is separation of the spirit from the body. In that respect, Jesus died and was dead.

Crown: I see. So God the Son did not die but separated from the man Jesus who did die and was dead? That sounds awfully familiar Mr. Trinitarian. Where have we heard that idea before?

Trinitarian: One person, two natures.

Crown: Uh huuuh…. so is this person Jesus then the same person as “God the Son?”

Trinitarian: Yes.

Crown: So “God the Son” died correct?

Trinitarian: The human nature of God the Son died and was dead.

Crown: Ah! I see now Mr. Trinitarian. God’s human nature died on the cross and was dead and buried. But the person God the Son did not himself die and was not that dead flesh but was “elsewhere.” Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Correct.

Crown: So no one was really in the tomb then, right Mr. Trinitarian? It was just a body of flesh, a “human nature” laying in the tomb right Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Technically I suppose I would have to say God’s body was in the tomb. The person God the Son was not in the tomb – He was elsewhere.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, would you open this Bible and read for me Matthew 12:40.

Trinitarian: For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Crown: Was he mistaken, Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Jesus is never mistaken. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. It sounds to me like he was preaching to the spirits in Hades there in the heart of the earth.

Crown: Is that where Hades is located, Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Jesus is never mistaken, so I would have to say, ‘Yes.’

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, could you tell me precisely when the person, who is God the Son, left his human nature to preach in Hades, or describe that moment when he went “elsewhere”?

Trinitarian: Certainly. Death is defined in the Bible as the separation of the soul from the body.

Crown: Spirit or soul, Mr. Trinitarian? Which one?

Trinitarian: Well that depends who you ask; some say they are different, some say they are the same thing.

Essentially,the spiritual part of a man separates from his body at death.

Crown: I see. So this is why the person God the Son himself was elsewhere and not dead in the tomb? Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, that is correct.

Crown: So the person who is God the Son was not that dead flesh in the tomb? Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, that is correct.

Crown: Are you sure?

Trinitarian: Yes, absolutely.

Crown: So essentially you are saying the person was not that flesh but lived in that flesh as if it were a possession of his, say, like living in a house he owns?Or like say, a tabernacle or tent? Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Essentially, yes.

Crown: So then Mr. Trinitarian, nobody was really dead in the tomb correct? Otherwise we would have two persons on our hands, right Mr. Trinitarian? One in the tomb and one “elsewhere?”

Trinitarian: Essentially, yes.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, I have some passages for you to read for us. Would you read them please?

Trinitarian: Certainly, I love to read God’s word. It is truth.

So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the one, and of the other who had been crucified with him. But when they came to JESUS and saw that HE was already dead, they did not break HIS legs. But one of the soldiers pierced HIS side with a spear. (John 19:32-34).

Therefore order the tomb to be secured until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal HIM away, and tell the people, “HE has risen from the dead,and the last deception will be worse than the first.” (Matthew 27:64).

Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb where no one had ever been laid. So because of the Jewish day of Preparation, as the tomb was close at hand, they laid JESUS there. (John 19:42).

And when he learned from the centurion that HE was dead, he granted the body to Joseph. And he bought a linen shroud, and taking HIM down, wrapped him in the linen shroud, and laid HIM in a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a stone against the door of the tomb. Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where HE was laid. (Mark 15:45-47).

So Mary Magdalene ran, and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid HIM”…Peter then came out with the other disciple, and they went toward the tomb.They both ran but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first and stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in. Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; he saw the linen cloths lying, and the napkin, which had been on HIS head, not lying with the linen cloths but rolled up in a place by itself. Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed. For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that HE must rise from the dead. Then the disciples went back to their homes. But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb, and as she wept she stooped to look into the tomb and she saw two angels in white, sitting where the body of Jesus had lain, one at the head and one at the feet. They said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them,”Because they have taken away My Lord,and I do not know where they have laid HIM.”(John 20:2-14).

But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid; for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. HE is not here; for HE has risen, as he said. Come, see the place where HE lay.Then go quickly and tell his disciples that HE has risen from the dead.” (Matthew 28:5-7).

While they were going, behold, some of the guard went into the city and told the chief priests all that had taken place. And when they had assembled together with the elders and taken counsel, they gave a sum of money to the soldiers and said, “Tell the people, ‘His disciples came by night and stole HIM away while we were asleep.’ “(Matthew 28:11-13 RSV).

And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might go and anoint HIM. … And he said to them, “Do not be amazed; you seek JESUS OF NAZARETH, WHO was crucified. HE has risen, HE is not here; see the place where they laid HIM.” (Mark 16:1-6).

Crown: Well, well, Mr. Trinitarian, it appears the Bible indicates there was a person in the tomb! What do you say now, Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: There was no person in the tomb. That is just a manner of speaking. Jesus is God the Son and God the Son is Jesus. God the Son himself was elsewhere and his dead body was in the tomb.

Crown: Well, well, Mr. Trinitarian, the Bible tells us there was a person in the tomb!And you disagree, Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: There was no person in the tomb. That is just a manner of speaking. God cannot be dead and God

the Son was elsewhere.

Crown: I see. So what you are saying then, and please do correct me if I am wrong here, is that since you define death as the separation of the soul or spirit,the spiritual person, from the body; so that the person Jesus, who is the selfsame one person as God the Son, went out from his body and went either to Hades and preached, or went “elsewhere,” and therefore God the Son was not that dead flesh left hanging on the cross or dead in the tomb. Since this person is God the Son and God cannot die or be dead you insist God the Son must have been elsewhere and not dead in the tomb. Is that correct, Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Well I wouldn’t put it that way.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, I have some more passages for you to read for us. Would you read them please?

Trinitarian: Certainly, I love to read God’s word.

And about the ninth hour JESUS cried with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken ME?” And some of the bystanders hearing it said, “This man is calling Elijah.” And one of them immediately ran and took a sponge, filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave it to him to drink. But the others said, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him.” And JESUS cried again with a loud voice and yielded up HIS spirit. (Matthew 27:46-50).

When JESUS had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and HE bowed HIS head and gave up HIS spirit. (John 19:30).

Then JESUS, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit MY spirit!” And having said this HE breathed HIS last. (Luke 23:46).

Crown: Well, well, Mr. Trinitarian, you say Jesus was the spirit who went up from his body, which he left behind dead on the cross but it appears the Bible indicates there that the spirit in Jesus went up from him and left him behind dead on the cross. It seems you teach exactly the reverse to what the Bible teaches. What do you say to that, Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: That is just a manner of speaking and perspective. God the Son was elsewhere.Those passages show us that the spiritual person died and went elsewhere at death since death is defined as the separation of the soul from the body.

Crown: Well, well, Mr. Trinitarian, do you expect us to believe such a story? You say the spiritual person separated and left the dead body on the cross and the Bible says completely the opposite, that the spirit in that person was yielded up to God and he, that person, was left dead on the cross.

Trinitarian: That is just a manner of speaking and perspective. God the Son was elsewhere.Those passages show us that the spiritual person died and went elsewhere at death since death is defined as the separation of the soul from the body.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, would you read for me John 1:1 in the Bible there?

Trinitarian: Most certainly.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

See,it’s right there, Jesus is God.

Crown: Mr. Trinitarian, would you read for me John 1:14 in the Bible there?

Trinitarian: Most certainly.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Crown: Do you believe that, Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Most certainly. It is the Word of God.

Crown: To clarify, the Son of God, the Word, and Jesus Christ are all the selfsame person. Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, that is correct.

Crown:So you believe the Word himself was a person then became that flesh that died and was dead in the tomb?

Trinitarian: Most certainly not. The Word was not himself that flesh itself. The Word did not change into flesh and leave his divine nature behind. Rather, the Word assumed flesh as a nature to his other divine nature and so he then had two natures.

Crown: I see. To clarify then, you are saying the Word did not really himself become that flesh that died and was dead in the tomb, but added that flesh as another nature to himself, a possession so to speak, so that he could live and die as a man. Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, but I wouldn’t put it that way.

Crown: So then to clarify again; the Word was God the Son and God the Son was not that flesh that was dead in the tomb. Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, that is correct.

Crown:So then to clarify again; the Word who was God was a person who was not that flesh that was dead in the tomb although he did live in that flesh, or with that flesh, and have that flesh as his nature while he was alive. Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, that is correct.

Crown: Would you remind us again about the antichrist teaching John was discussing?

Trinitarian: Yes, certainly. Some false prophets were teaching that “the Christ”was a spiritual entity that appeared as a man incognito, that is, “the Christ entity” only appeared to be a man of flesh, but really was not himself that flesh that suffered and died. He appeared in the body of the man named Jesus and at the point of his death this spiritual entity”Christ” escaped from the cross. John tells us at 1 John 4:2-3 and 2 John 1:7 these men were deceivers teaching in the spirit of the antichrist.

Crown: Sound familiar Mr. Trinitarian?

Trinitarian: Jesus was dead.

Crown: And the person God the Son, who was not dead, was elsewhere. Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, that is correct.

Crown: So what you are saying is that a living person was in the realm of the dead then. Mr. Trinitarian, I thought you indicated this person died and that anyone in Hades, the realm of the dead, was dead?

Trinitarian: Well no, not God the Son. God the Son cannot die and be dead. He did experience death in that he was in a dying body and separated from that dying body at the point of death. He was a living soul preaching in Hades the realm of the dead.

Crown:I see. So what we have then is a dead body in the tomb and a living person preaching to dead persons and as such God the Son is not dead but living. Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Well if you say he went to Hades when he died, Yes. Otherwise, he was just”elsewhere,” perhaps heaven.

Crown: I see. So Jesus who was God and is the Word of God was not himself that flesh that died then. Rather this person owned his flesh and his flesh died on him on the cross. Is that correct?

Trinitarian: Yes, the person was God the Son and God cannot die. His flesh was simply his human nature from which he separated at death.

Crown:Mr. Trinitarian, that will be all.

[Judge]:You may step down, Mr. Trinitarian. Thank you for your testimony.

Trinity on Trial- The Verdict by K.N. Stovra (part 2)

 

Crown: Your Honor, I would like to call my next witness, ‘the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God, Savior of the World and Lord of all Creation.’

[The Courtroom]: A hush and many whisperings.

[Bailiff]: Place your hand on the Word of God and swear to tell the truth.

[Jesus]: I am the Word of God made flesh and I am the Truth and I swear by no one. My yes will be Yes and my no will be No.

[Bailiff]: Your honor?

[Judge]: I somehow think we can make an exception here. He did start the faith that forbade swearing by anything.

State your name.

Jesus: I am Lord Jesus the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Crown: Jesus, was John, the brother of James, your Apostle?

Jesus: Yes, he was one of my Twelve.

Crown:Jesus, was John your Apostle, filled with your Spirit?

Jesus: Yes, I shed forth the Spirit upon him when the Day of Pentecost had fully come.

Crown: Jesus, was John your Apostle, truthful in his writings concerning you?

Jesus: Yes, I lived in him in the Spirit and guided him in all his ways and I am Truth.

Crown: Jesus, would you read for me here what John said about you here in his opening remarks of his first letter and tell me if this was truthful please?

Jesus: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of life. The life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us.

Crown: Jesus, did John say that he seen you with his eyes and touched and held you,seeing that you are the Word of life made flesh?

Jesus: Yes, obviously.

Crown: Jesus, you were that human flesh he touched?

Jesus: Yes, obviously.

Crown: Jesus, were you yourself dead?

Jesus: Yes, you need not ask me that question. My testimony has been with you for over 2000 years.

Crown: Jesus, would you show us your testimony?

Jesus: Certainly. It is right here in my Revelation to John in chapter one, verse 18,”I was dead.”

Crown: Jesus, were you that dead person hanging on the cross?

Jesus: Again, my testimony is with you through my faithful servants.

Crown: Jesus, would you show us your testimony to us?

Jesus: Certainly, my faithful servant Paul, who said, “I no longer live but Christ lives in me,” wrote in his selfsame letter to the wayward Galatians, “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.” For it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree.” John’s Gospel also shows you I was hanging dead on the cross and put dead into the tomb and it was me who was raised bodily from the dead. If I was not dead and was not raised from death, your faith is in vain.

Crown: Jesus, so you were hanging dead on the tree and became a curse?

Jesus: Yes, I am the Christ who died and was dead and buried and rose again from death.

Crown: Jesus, is it correct to say, that death lorded over you, had dominion over you?

Jesus: Yes, my faithful servant Paul, wrote such inspired words in his well-known letter to the Romans.

Crown: Jesus, did you give your soul over to death?

Jesus: Yes, the Son of man did not come to be served but to serve and give his soul as a ransom for many.

Crown: Jesus, where were you when you died?

Jesus: Have you not read the Scriptures? My people were not to go near and touch a dead soul. How do you suppose they could do this unless they touched a dead body?

Crown: You are too wise for me Lord. Jesus, tell us, were you a dead soul?

Jesus: I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life (his soul) for the sheep. For this reason the Father loved me, because I laid down my life (my soul), that I may take it up again

Crown: So to sum of Lord, you are the Word that was made flesh; you were that flesh that John handled and touched, you yourself were the flesh that died and was dead in the tomb. You were a dead soul. You, the person, you were dead. Did they crucify YOU Lord or a human nature? Were YOU dead or was a nature simply dead?

Jesus: Yes, I was not alive but dead. My Father raised me back to life after three days. My testimony is with you.

Crown: Jesus, just one more question. Who are you exactly?

Jesus: Who do you say that I am?

Crown: I will defer to Peter on that one my Lord. No more questions. Thank you for your testimony O Lord of All.

[Judge]: You may step down, Lord. Thank you for your testimony.

Crown: Your Honor, in light of the testimony of the Christ Himself, I wish to now make my final statement.

Mr.Trinitarian, the defendant, has testified that only the dead are in Hades and that the Antichrist deception was a spiritual entity leaving the body at the point of death; and that Jesus Christ was not himself that flesh and did not die and was therefore not that dead flesh and was not dead in the tomb; but was still a living spiritual entity alive in Hades, and in fact, has testified that Christ was himself, being a spiritual entity, was not himself that human flesh,but the spiritual entity that appeared incognito in a human body of flesh and left that body of flesh at the point of death, as that spiritual entity; and did not die and was not dead, but living elsewhere.

In light of his testimony, and the witness of our Lord himself, who is the Truth,has testified that he himself did indeed die, that he was that touchable flesh and did indeed become a curse and was indeed himself a dead person in the tomb,wherein he himself stated, and I quote, “I was dead;”

And whereas the defendant has testified that Jesus the Christ was not himself really and truly that flesh and did not really and truly suffer and die, and was not really and truly dead, but unassumed his body of flesh at the point of death, and as such escaping death, perpetuating the original lie of the Serpent of Eden, “You won’t ‘really’ die;”

I therefore call for a judgment and verdict for the charge of promulgating the deception of the spirit of the antichrist, to wit, that the selfsame Jesus the Christ, testifies that he did himself come in flesh; while the defendant himself confesses, despite his opening words, that he truly believes and teaches in concept, the deception mentioned by John which he himself described,and as the defendant has fraudulently posed as a disciple of Christ, and who has in fact stolen the Lord away from the tomb in the minds of all God’s children, I hereby move for a judgment on the matter on the charges of fraud,perjury and the sin of inciting the spirit of the Antichrist among the children of God, the illusion and deception of the Antichrist as described by John at 1 John 4:2-3 and 2 John 1:7, creating an image of our Brother and Lord, Jesus Christ, in the likeness and image of the Man of Lawlessness.

Your honor, the defendant admits he believes the Lord was not personally that body of flesh but merely owned it and lived in and with it and henceforth escaped death and went up from his body and left it behind and was not himself truly dead but living “elsewhere” and then returned to later retrieve it,which as you will carefully note is itself the antichrist teaching described by the defendant himself.

I call for a verdict of “Guilty.”

[Judge]: Mr. Trinitarian, please stand.

In light of the testimony of Jesus Christ himself who truthfully tells that he himself was that dead flesh that was crucified dead, left dead hanging on the cross and buried in the tomb, I have no other choice but to pronounce you Guilty as charged.

I will reserve sentencing for the only Righteous Judge at which time you may appeal to a Higher court.

May God have mercy upon you.

 

 

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DECEPTION 1: Son Of God? or Servant Of God?

SON OF GOD? OR SERVANT OF GOD? / DISHONEST TRANSLATION 1

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

This note is my humble undertaking to expose one of the LIES, DECEPTIONS used by Christians missionaries in duping innocent peoples into believing that Jesus is a Son Of God or Begotten Son Of God. The DECEPTIONS was found in their dishonest translation of the Bible from hebrew to English and Greek to English.

This essay however will focus mainly as an in-depth analysis of John 3:16 which according to the Christianity is the Greatest Verse in the Bible for God offered His only unique begotten son to be sacrificed for our sins.

Let us examined their claims.

Matthew 12:18 KJV

Behold my SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

On Mat 12:18, The translator of KJV correctly translated the Greek word “pais” as SERVANT (http://biblelexicon.org/matthew/12-18.htm )

Then on

Luke 1:54 KJV

He hath helpeth his SERVANT Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;

The translator too translated the Greek Word “pais” into SERVANT when referring to Jacob / Israel ( http://biblelexicon.org/luke/1-54.htm )

Then on

Luke 1:69 KJV

And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his SERVANT David;

Similarly, the Greek Word “pais” was also translated into SERVANT when referring to King David ( http://biblelexicon.org/luke/1-69.htm )

BUT, in

Acts 3:13 KJV

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son ( “pais ” ) Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

The translator deceptively translated the Greek word “pais” into a “Son” ??????? when referring to Jesus ( http://biblelexicon.org/acts/3-13.htm )

and take note not only written as a common noun son but as a “Son”… Just almost the same word trickery game with ” God and god “, LORD and Lord, and ” Adam and adam “.

and also in

Acts 4:27 KJV

For of a truth against thy holy CHILD ( ” pais ” ) Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

The translator dishonestly translated the Greek word “pais” into a CHILD when referring to Jesus.. ( http://biblelexicon.org/acts/4-27.htm )

The question here is, if those translator were really honest in their translation what prevent them from translating the Greek word “pais” or “paida” into its correct english equivalent – SERVANT? Why the double standard? Why a dishonest translation techniques is used to deceived the innocent mass?

Why if for Jesus the Greek word “pais” is translated as “Son” or “Child” and when it refer to Jacob or King David it is translated as – SERVANT?

It is very apparent Allah the All-Knowing God explain this matter in His Final Book :

“And verily, among them is a party who twist their tongues with the Scripture that you might think that it is from the Scripture but it is not from the Scripture; and they say, ‘It is from Allah’ but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while [well] they know it!” The noble Qur’an, A’al-Umran(3):78

http://lexiconcordance.com/greek/3816.html

Who are the true followers of Jesus: Christians or Muslims?

Who are the true followers of Jesus: Christians or Muslims?

When someone claims to be a Christian, it is implied that he or she is a follower of Jesus Christ, but how true is this claim?

Originally the followers of Jesus were Jews and considered themselves to be so for many generations. Only later a division came into existence between the Jews who followed Jesus and those who did not, this division became wide enough that historians denoted the new group as ”Christian-Jews”, and only later did the division become so wide that the other group started to call themselves ”Christians”.

Jesus had never heard of the word Christian and neither did he call himself a Christian. Actually, the word Christian only appears 3 times in the Bible and none of these occurrences occurred during the life time of Jesus. The word Christianity is found nowhere in the Bible.

The word Christianity stems from Christ, but Jesus Christ did not walk around calling himself Christ, this word is actually a translation and basically means Messiah. In the Hebrew language the translation of the word Christ was the word for Messiah, this Hebrew word was later translated into Christos in Greek, and later Anglicized to Christ.

The term Christ/Messiah was not an exclusive term and in the Old Testament you will find this word for Christ/Messiah being applied to many individuals. It is applied 30 times to Dividic kings, 6 times to the high priest, and two times to the Old Testament patriarchs.

So there are roughly 38 different instances in which other individuals, that is other than Jesus Christ, are identified with the same term.

As Muslims we believe that Jesus was a man, Prophet, and sent by God to bring revelation to the people and bring them back from the deviation that had crept into their religion.

Christians belief that they are the true followers of Christ, but Muslims also belief to be followers of Christ. Both religions claim the same thing, but the question is, who is really following Christ?

We must look at the evidence and come to a conclusion for ourselves by comparing basic issues.

If we close our eyes and conceive a image of how Jesus would have looked like we will almost certainly picture him with a beard. Very few Christians wear a beard nowadays, and the ones who do, very few of them actually do so because Jesus had a beard.

His Mother Mary, you will always see her wearing a headscarf and she is always covered.

When we picture Jesus giving a sermon, he is always wearing loose, not-form fitted clothing, and a long robe to the wrist and ankles. His shape/form is never shown and he is always dressed modestly.

Now, who has a beard and who dresses modestly like Jesus? Christians or Muslims.. generally speaking it are the Muslims. Also, who are the women nowadays that resemble Mary the most in their appearance? Its the Muslim women wearing the veil.

But these are all superficial aspects of who Jesus was. Let’s take a look now at how he carried himself and what he was all about.

Jesus was a man of modesty, humility and quality. He spoke about salvation, reminded people of religious values, and was certainly not someone who was constantly dealing with worldly aspects.

In our daily life’s we will find Muslims much more commonly talking about religious issues, always trying to bring every sort of conversation back to religion. But with Christians this is a lot less when we look at a common workplace chat or wherever they may be.

Most Christians acknowledge that they have turned Christianity in a Sunday religion, but Jesus was busy with religion 24/7. Muslims pray 5 times a day, perform ablution before every prayer, get up early in the morning to pray and wake up at night for worship, they can never forget their religion in this way.

So, who resembles Jesus more in this aspect?

And what about the appearance and manners of Jesus?

A very simple thing, Jesus told the people to perform the greeting of peace and he instructed his disciples to greet each other with the greeting of peace. In Luke 10:5 we read:

“When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ Luke 10:5

He actually acted out the example 4 times:

While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” Luke 24:36

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” John 20:19

Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” John 20:21

A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” John 20:26

So one time he gave a directive and four times a practical example. You will find this practice of greeting with peace amongst the Orthodox Jews, in the Old Testament, and with Muslims who great each other with As-salamu alaykum (Peace be upon you).

How many Christians will you find following this very simple directive of Jesus? It is a very little and simple thing, so why don’t they just do it?

Then the practices of worship, let’s look at them as well.

Jesus was circumcised (It was Paul who said that it was unnecessary):

And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. Romans 4:11

Jesus did not eat pork:

And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. Leviticus 11:7

The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses. Deuteronomy 14:8

Jesus did not consume, ask or give interest:

If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest. Exodus 22:25

Jesus didn’t fornicate, and abstained from extramarital contact with women. Now, this issue extends to the least physical contact with the opposite sex. With the exception of performing religious rituals and helping those in need, Jesus never even touched a woman other than his mother. Strictly practising Orthodox Jews maintain this practice to this day in observance of Old Testament law. Likewise, practising Muslims don’t even shake hands between the sexes. Can Christian “hug your neighbour” and “kiss the bride” congregations make the same claim?

Jesus performed ablution before prayer like all Orthodox Jews do:

and Moses and Aaron and his sons used it to wash their hands and feet. Exodus 40:31

Jesus prayed in prostration (Matthew 26:39), like the other prophets (see Nehemiah 8:6 with regard to Ezra and the people, Joshua 5:14 for Joshua, Genesis 17:3 and 24:52 for Abraham, Exodus 34:8 and Numbers 20:6 for Moses and Aaron).

Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:39

Jesus fasted for more than a month at a time, as did the pious before him (Exodus 34:28, I Kings 19:8), and as do Muslims in the annual fast of the month of Ramadan.

After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. Matthew 4:2

where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. Luke 4:2

Jesus made pilgrimage for the purpose of worship, as all Orthodox Jews aspire to do. The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is well known, and is alluded to in the Bible (see The First and Final Commandment).

Who does all of this? Christians or Muslims!?

Now the most important thing, Creed! All Prophets came to bear the same message, the message of Creed, the Truth of God. Jesus bore the message and said:

“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ Mark 12:29-30

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ Matthew 22:37

He answered: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” Luke 10:27

Three times he bore the message that God is One, which relates back to the first commandment:

“You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3

So the bottom line is that Jesus came saying he was not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel…. He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” Matthew 15:24

But what does it mean, lost sheep? It means they have gone astray from their message and Jesus is reminding them of the Laws of God, the Oneness of God, the Pureness of God, pure monotheism! Jesus never spoke of the trinity and it can nowhere be found within the bible.

So, who talks the talk, has the appearance, manners, practices and so on of Jesus? Muslims or Christians?

Jesus taught God is One and that he was the son of man, actually he called himself the son of man 88 times and never did he call himself the son of God. This estrangement of the teachings of Jesus by Christians is due to the teachings of Paul, who caused a separation and modern day Christianity is more based on the teachings of Paul than those of Jesus.

It is well recognized amongst Christians scholars that the foundations of the Christian church and religion are based on the teachings of Paul and not those of Jesus, this may be a bit insulting to some when confronted with it, but these are simply the facts and you can ask every Christian scholar about it.

All four Gospels, Mark, Matthew, Luke and John were written by anonymous people. They are anonymous documents not signed by anyone and within the framework of the actual manuscript not attributed to any of the disciples. The teachings of Paul and Jesus are absolute opposites, even though one would expect them to be the same.

Jesus came to teach the law of the Old Testament, he expressively stated that he did not come to destroy the law and the Prophet and that he came bearing the law of Moses, not trying to change it.

Paul negated the Old Testament’s law and came up with the concept of justification with faith. Jesus held people accountable to the law, on the other hand Paul said, ”No more”, he cancelled this. In the same way Jesus stated that he was an ethnic Prophet, he came to the lost sheep of Israel, thereby negating everyone else because he said: I was sent ONLY TO..

Paul on the other hand said he is an universal Prophet for everyone.. You cannot have both, they are mutually exclusive and cannot be blended. Jesus taught prayer to God, the Lord’s prayer, when you pray, pray in the way of Jesus. He never told people to pray to him i.e. Jesus.

But Paul taught people to pray to Jesus.

Jesus taught that the Lord is One, but Paulian theologians derived the concept of the trinity.

In this manner, if you look at the Bible, you will see how the teachings of Paul contradict those of Jesus, and as a Christian you will have to decide which one it is that you are going to follow, Jesus or Paul?

Paul was a man who never even met Jesus, was not one of his earthly disciples, and claimed to have had a conversion through a mystical experience and then went on to teach very contrary things to what Jesus taught.

All of the Prophets were Muslim, this may sound strange, but what is a Muslim? It is a person who follows the religion of Islam and submits his will to that of Allah. The word Islam might have been introduced from the time of Muhammad (peace be upon him), but all people of all times who submitted themselves to the will of God are actually Muslim.

Was Abraham a human being? When did this word ”human being” come into existence? Certainly not during his lifetime. Were Moses, Noah, Jesus human beings? You see, this word came into existence later, but it applies backwards as well, it is the same with the words Islam and Muslim.

Muslims are those who submit their wills to that of Allah, even though the word came into existence with the revelation of the Quran and the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon him), it applies to those before him as well who fulfilled the conditions.

Now some might say that Jesus was a Jew and this is correct, he was an Orthodox Jew in the sense that he was not bringing any new law, he was simply restoring the law of Moses and fulfilled the qualifications of being considered to be a Jew.

In those times being a Jew was basically an ethnicity, if you were Hebrew you were a Jew, but you could also be a Jew/Hebrew Communist, Democrat, Marxist etc., but when it comes to religion, all of the Prophets were Muslim.

One wonders what happened between the practices of the first generation of Jesus’ followers and the Christians of modern day. At the same time, we have to respect the fact that Muslims exemplify Jesus’ teachings more than Christians do. Furthermore, we should remember that the Old Testament foretold three prophets to follow. John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were numbers one and two, and Jesus Christ himself predicted the third and last. Hence, both Old and New Testaments speak of a final prophet, as Muslims we belief this to be Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), and the final revelation to be that of Islam.

However, every person has to examine the life of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) for himself and the revelation that he brought, and based on that everyone has to come to their own conclusion. Examine the evidence for yourself and then decide..

Shema: The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, David, Jesus, Muhammad (peace be upon them all)

Shema: The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob

“The LORD our God, the LORD is One.” (Deuteronomy 6:4).

The above verse is the simplest form of the Shema. The Hebrew text literally says, “YHVH our God YHVH is one.” While we don’t know for certain, and the matter is often disputed, the letters “YHVH” are usually understood by most Christian scholars to have been pronounced as “Yahweh” or “Yahveh.” The word “Jehovah” is simply an anglicization of Yahweh just as Peter is an anglicization of the Greek name Petros and Jesus is an anglicization of the Greek name Iesous and Aramaic Yashua.

The Shema is a basic confession of Jews and Christians. It declares that God is one. We must ask ourselves a very important question. If God is “One” then in what way is God “one”? Just how is God “one”? What did God intend for us to understand by these words? And when other passages such as “there is no other but He” are considered, how do such words impact Deuteronomy 6:4? More importantly, what did God intend the ancient Jews to understand by these words? Are we to believe the above confession is intended to convey that God is one “substance,” or that God is one trio, as Trinitarians want us to believe? Or did God intend to convey that He is one person? Did God want the Israelites to understand the Gentiles had many gods but the Israelite God in contrast was one substance? Is such a proprosal even reasonable?

The Shema identifies the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But just who was the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob? Was Abraham’s one and only God just one person? Or was Abraham’s one and only God three persons in number? Was Isaac and Jacob’s one and only God just one person? Or was Isaac and Jacob’s one and only God three persons in number? Just who was Israel’s God? Who was Jesus’ God? Was Jesus’ one and only God a three person being? Or was Jesus’ Father alone his one and only God? And if God is a three person being, why does the Bible indicate the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had a servant-son named Jesus?

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His servant-son Jesus (Acts 3:13).

Jesus was an Israelite. He was the King of the Jews. Jesus stressed the vital importance of the Shema:

One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear O Israel. The Lord our God the Lord is One‘ and ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.” So the scribe said to Him, “Well said Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”” (Mark 12:28-31).

The Jewish scribe refers to this one God as “He.” Now we must ask ourselves just who this Jewish scribe had in mind when he used the word “He.” The Lord our God the Lord is one “He” and there is no other God but this one “He.” Is it reasonable or or is it disingenuous to suggest this Jewish scribe had a three person being in mind and worshiped a Triune God? Or did he have one person in mind? Well we know from Scripture, and Jesus’ own words, that the Jews considered their God to be one person – the Father (John 8:41,54). Are we really to believe this learned Jew was referring to a three person God? Let us also not forget that the statement “the Lord our God the Lord is one” is understood in terms of the words “there is no other but He” (see Deut 4:35). And we must also take very careful note of something Jesus says here. Jesus told this man he had answered wisely. Are we to believe Jesus was being sarcastically coy? We know this scribe was referring to someone he perceived to be one person, the Father. How then did Jesus say the Jewish scribe answered wisely if indeed God was actually a three person being? And when Jesus prayed the above words, as Jews do, just who did he himself have in mind? Did he really have a three person God in mind as Trinitarians would have us believe? Or did he simply have his Father in mind? In Jesus’ own mind, just who was that one and only God whom they were talking about? One person, or three? Who was Jesus’ one and only God?

“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God” (John 20:17).

Jesus was the son of God. Who is “God” in the term “son of God”? Jesus? A three person being? Or is Jesus the son of the one God who happens to be his Father? Plainly, we are to understand that God is one and Jesus is another and God is Jesus’ Father and Jesus is God’s son. Does it really make sense to then claim the Son of God is God? Would it make any sense to claim the son of Adam is Adam or the son of David is David or the son of Noah is Noah?

Jesus said he was acending to his God. This was the God that Jesus and the Jewish scribe were discussing and “there is no other but He.” And Jesus clearly identifies his one God as his Father, not a Triune God. His Father was his one and only God. Jesus then goes further and reminds us that his God is our God. There is no difference between Jesus’ God and our God. And of course there shouldn’t be any difference or we would have two Gods/gods on our hands. If indeed there is only one God then Jesus can’t have a different God than his followers. Did Jesus worship and serve a three person God? Or did Jesus worship and serve his father as his one and only God? To reasonable people who are honest with themselves, the answer is obvious. Jesus’ God was his Father alone. And Jesus tells us that his one and only God is also our God – the Father.
Ask yourself a very important question and try to be reasonable and honest with yourself. Ask yourself, “Who was Jesus’ God?” Now ask yourself if this was the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob who sent his servant-son Jesus? Now ask yourself if a Triune God is the same God Jesus served. And if not, ask yourself if this Triune God is another God?
“My God and Your God” – Jesus

My God And Jesus’ God: The Inescapable Trinitarian Dilemma

My God & Jesus’ God: The Inescapable Trinitarian Dilemma


Jesus was a Jew born under the Law. As a Jew he was obligated to keep the Law. He was required to abide by the words, “YHWH our God, YHWH is one.” He was required to abide by the words said about YHWH his God, “there is no other but HE” just as Jesus and the Jewish scribe agreed at Mark 12:28-34. They agree the words, “the LORD is one” mean “there is no other but HE. While Trinitarians like to claim this single “HE” is the Triune God, it is impossible for this “HE” to be any other than the Father alone since Jesus is talking about HIS God, HIS Yahweh, and the God of the Jewish man Jesus was not a Trinity but his Father alone.

Trinitarians insist that you worship a different God if you do not have a three-person-God as they do. Therefore, by their own admission, they have a different God than Jesus did and Jesus’ God was a different God than their God. Jesus’ God was not a Trinity, a Triune being, a three-person-God. His God was a one-person-being, his Father alone. Will Trinitarians then confess that their God is a different God than Jesus’ God?

Oddly enough, they implicitly do confess their God is a different God than Jesus’ God. My God, for example, is exactly the same as Jesus’ God. His God was the Father alone and my God is the Father alone. But since my God is not their three person God, Trinitarians insist that necessarily means I have a different God than they do.

But if I have a different God than Trinitarians do, then so did/does Jesus my Lord. My God is his Father alone and his God was, and is, his Father alone. They are identical.

What then does this tell you about the men who desire to persecute those who do not serve their God but rather serve the exact same God as Jesus?

Why would you want to have a different God than Jesus?

I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.
– Jesus my Lord

Jesus has made us to be kings and priests to His God and Father.
-John

You turned to the God from idols to serve a Living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.
– Paul

Jesus has made his disciples to be kings and priests to who? To his God and Father. That’s the God Jesus’ disciples serve, the Lord’s God, his Father alone, Jesus’ God and Father.

Jesus served his Father alone as his only true God. He instructs his disciples that his God is their God. Yet Trinitarians claim that serving the Father alone is to have a “different God.” And indeed, they will even claim that to have a different God than the Trinity means you cannot be a Christian and you will not be saved.

But Jesus had a different God than the Trinity. His God was not the Trinity but was the Father alone. Have Trinitarians then condemned Jesus for having a different God?

Resurrection Island

Resurrection Island

And Horus has already taken off…

And Horus has already taken off…

Welcome to this week’s edition of the number one TV show internationally: “Resurrection Island.”

On Resurrection Island we take many of the gods who have resurrected throughout history and strand them on a desert island with no restroom facilities. All gods are then required to drink a six pack of beer and try to hold it as long as they can before they have to resurrect.

This week we have a newcomer: Jesus Christ of Judeah. Because he’s one of the last gods in history to resurrect, our money is on him to win our divinely coveted omnipotent-bladder award.

BTW,Jesus resurrected about 3,000 years after our oldest contestant, Horus of Egypt, and Jesus comes from a long line of other gods that have resurrected since Horus.

Some of these other gods that will be resurrecting today:

Thulis of Egypt

Inanna of Mesopotamia

Attis,Adonis, Persephone, and Dionysus of Greece

Krishna,Sakia, and Buddha of India

Tammuz of Syria

Hesus of the Celtic Druids

Quirinus of Rome

Alcestis of Euripedes

Atys of Phrygia

Indra of Tibet

Crite of Chaldea

Odin of Scandinavia

Baal of Phoenicia

(four hours and a dozen or so gods later…)

Wait a minute… here comes Mithra of Persia:

And finally… here comes our winner: Jesus of Judeah.

What does Jesus have written on his testicles?

What does Jesus have written on his testicles?

OK, I’m not sure about this. Jesus might not have anything written on his testicles.

But he does have something written on his thigh, at least if you believe the Book of Revelation.

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:16

Here’s what it looks like.

But since”thigh” is a biblical euphemism for testicle, it may be that Jesus has “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” tattooed on his testicles (or more likely, his scrotum).

Wouldn’t that be cool?

I’ll bet he has”King of Kings” on one side, and “Lord of Lords” on the other.

He’s the type.

And it would go well with the rest of his outfit.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns … And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood … And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron. Revelation 19:11-13, 15


 

The Trinity Defined and Refuted Through Logic and Biblical Passages

The Trinity Defined and Refuted

by Sean Finnegan

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Three Persons in One God

 

The Trinity is probably the most misunderstood doctrine in Christianity. Non-Trinitarians often do not take the time to understand the Trinity and so craft great arguments against modalism[11] all the while thinking they have debunked the Trinity. For this reason, I have endeavored to define each of the aspects under consideration before trying to refute them. The first point that needs to be explained is the essential understanding of three persons in one God. The entry below is informative:

In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit. Since the 4th century, in both Eastern and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as “one God in three persons,” all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal persons, are of one indivisible Divine essence, a simple being…The doctrine of the Trinity is the result of continuous exploration by the church of the biblical data, thrashed out in debate and treatises, eventually formulated at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD in a way they believe is consistent with the biblical witness, and further refined in later councils and writings.[12]

 

According to the Trinity, there are three separate “persons” in one divine “substance.” These separate persons are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The belief of the Trinity is a paradox − the Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God; yet, there are not three Gods, but one. In fact, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. This concept is illustrated below.

Thus, God is not believed to be a person; rather, God is an essence that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share in common. Imagine for a moment a three-headed man. Each head has its own mind (thoughts, intentions, memory, feelings, preferences, etc.). Although there are three minds (persons), there is only one body. At first this seems like a good analogy to represent what is being said by the definition of the Trinity. However, this analogy breaks down at the next step because, according to the Trinity, each person not only shares the same substance (God), but each is fully God. Our three headed person analogy falls short here because each head is not fully the man; rather, each is a part of him. In fact, every analogy to anything in the known universe breaks down at this point. The shamrock analogy, the egg analogy, the three phases of water analogy, etc., all fail to represent what has been defined in the above diagram …..

See the original sources on how Trinitarian fallacy is unveiled ;

http://www.21stcr.org/multimedia-2011/1-articles/sf-trinity_defined_refuted.html

 

One God : Is Jesus Both God and Man?

One God

Is Jesus Both God and Man?

 

by Sean Finnegan

 

“…How in the world could Jesus be omnipresent if he couldn’t be in two places at once?” I asked. “How could he be omniscient when he says, ‘Not even the Son of Man knows the hour of his return?’ How could he be omnipotent when the gospels plainly tell us that he was unable to do many miracles in his hometown?” —Lee Strobel, Case for Christ, p. 158.

In the foyer of our church is a tract that says on its cover “Did Jesus Think He Was God?” Below, I have reproduced the chart found in it, enumerating 11 points as to why Jesus could not be God.

If Jesus is God then…

1. How could he have a beginning (Matthew 1:18; Romans 1:3), since God has always existed (Isaiah 43:13)?
2. How could he keep “increasing in wisdom” (Luke 2:52), since God’s “understanding is infinite” (Psalm 147:5)?
3. Why did he say, “I can do nothing on my own initiative” (John 5:30), whereas God “can do all things” (Job 42:2)?
4. Why did he spend “the whole night in prayer to God” (Luke 6:12), as there is never a time when God prays, but only receives prayer from others?
5. How could he learn obedience and become perfect (Hebrews 5:8 and 9), since God invented obedience and is already perfect (Matthew 5:48)?
6. Why doesn’t he know the day and hour when he will return, and yet his Father, God, does know (Matthew 24:36)?
7. Why didn’t he know who touched him (Mark 5:30), whereas God knows everything (Isaiah 46:10)?
8. How could he be tempted by the devil (Matthew 4:1), yet “God cannot be tempted by evil” (James 1:13)?
9. How could he die (Philippians 2:8), if God “alone possesses immortality” (I Timothy 6:16)?
10. How could he be in subjection to the Father [if he were the Father] for all eternity, (I Corinthians 15:28)?
11. Why was he asleep on the cushion (Mark 4:38), yet God never sleeps or slumbers (Psalms 12:14)?

Though these reasons may appear very conclusive to most unitarians, they are not by most mainstream Christians. When I speak to orthodox Christians along these lines, the person often responds “You misunderstand the dual nature of Christ.” Their reasoning continues, “In his divinity, he is God; but in his humanity, he is man. When he performs miracles, that is a manifestation of his deity. When he suffers or is limited in any way, that is a manifestation of his humanity.” Thus, a dual nature proposition is given as the explanation as to why Jesus did not exactly match the attributes recorded of God.

But why is this doctrine necessary? Why do people believe that Jesus is God?

The main reason given for why Jesus would be God is that he did things that only God can do – he raised the dead, walked on water, exorcised demons, forgave sins, and lived perfectly. Each of these will be taken in its turn.

Jesus raised the dead. Jesus raised Lazarus, Jairus’ daughter, and the widow’s son. If raising the dead makes Jesus God, then Elijah, Elisha, and Peter are also God, because they also raised the dead.

Jesus walked on water. Jesus confessed the source of his miracles when he said, “the Father abiding in me does His works” (John 10:25, 32, 37; 14:10) and, “the son can do nothing of himself” (John 5:19). Jesus walked on the water because God empowered him to do so. (And Peter walked on the water also.)

Jesus exorcised demons. Often, Jesus came face to face with the spiritual forces of wickedness. He never struggled but cast them out with a few words. However, he is not unique here either, the 12 also cast out demons, as well as the 70. Besides, Jesus clearly stated, “I cast out demons by the spirit of God” (Matthew 12:28). God empowered His Messiah to do these things.

Jesus forgave sins. When the paralyzed man was brought to Jesus, he said, “Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven” (Matthew 9:2). It is alleged that since all sins are ultimately an affront to God (Psalms 51:4), that only God can forgive sins. This reasoning is logical, but what if God conferred His right to forgive sins onto His earthly agent–the Messiah. “But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God who had given such authority to men” (Matthew 9:8). Similarly, the disciples of Christ are authorized to forgive or retain sins (cf. John 20:23).

Jesus lived perfectly. Adam was made in God’s image–perfect. God’s plan was for him to stay sinless, live forever, cultivate the garden of Eden, rule over the earth, and produce many children. Jesus also was made in the image of God (Colossians 3:10). He was divinely created [begotten] (Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:20) in the womb of his mother, Mary; Adam was also divinely made (Genesis 2:7). Thus, Jesus falls in the category of one who began as perfect and who needed to maintain his perfection (i.e. the second Adam), rather than one who had inherited the fallen sin nature. Because of what Christ has done, we can now mortify the deeds of our old man and live as he lived (Romans 8:10, 13).

One other argument that often surfaces is that if Jesus was not God, then his sacrifice would not have been sufficient to redeem all of humanity. This assertion seems logical on its surface, but there are four problems with it.

    • Nowhere in the Bible is this stated.
    • God cannot die (I Timothy 1:17 says He is immortal).
    • A sacrifice is sufficient because God accepts it, not because its value equals the offense.
    • According to their view, only the body (the humanity) of Jesus died; his spirit (the deity)
      continued to live. Thus, the God portion of Jesus did not die.

Besides, is it fair to split Jesus in any way? If Jesus were fully God and fully man, then everything Jesus experienced, both his divine and human natures also experienced. For example, if I could ask them, “How can Jesus be God if he doesn’t know everything?” They would respond, “In his humanity he didn’t know, but in his divinity he is omniscient.” However, this is impossible. One cannot both know everything and not know everything at the same time! If Jesus had claimed ignorance about his second coming when he was really omniscient, would this not be deceptive? To illustrate this, consider the analogy below.

Fred asked Laura for $5, and she responded, “I don’t have $5.” But then 10 minutes later, Fred noticed that she was holding $5 in her hand and questioned her why she had lied. Laura replied, “When I said I didn’t have $5, I meant in my right hand I did not have it; although it is true that in my left hand I do have $5.” Would this not be immediately exposed as deception? Either the person has the $5 or not. One cannot both have and not have $5 at the same time.

Jesus always spoke the truth. If he said he did not know something, then all of Jesus did not know it. If he died, then he was not immortal. If he slept on the boat, then he cannot claim to be the God Who never sleeps, etc. All of this confusion can be avoided if we understand Jesus as a human–a sinless man who, like Adam, was directly made by God but, unlike Adam, did not grasp at equality with God. There is nothing complicated about that. Jesus is a real human who really died for our sins. Our entire faith depends on this truth. It is a simple fact: if the whole Jesus did not really die, then the whole of our sins are not really paid for. Thanks be to God who would not leave us in such a predicament.

Source :

http://www.21stcr.org/multimedia/artitcles/is_jesus_both_god_and_man.html

How can Jesus be GOD Almighty in the light of the following verses?

How can Jesus be GOD Almighty in the light of the following verses?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said “Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” The words “our God” indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn’t say “Your God”. He said “our God” which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he ask for GOD’s Forgiveness in Luke 23:34?

If Jesus was GOD, then why Mark 15:34 says “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

If Jesus was GOD, then did Paul say in 1 Corinthians 8:6 “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.”

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said “I do nothing of myself”? Can’t GOD do anything he wills?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said “My Father (GOD) is greater than I”?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said “Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit”?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

Also in Luke 18:19 Jesus said only GOD Almighty is Good: “”Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.”

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn’t reply when he was asked about the truth?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus said “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus? Also see GOD’s Spirit in the many others beside Jesus.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can’t do a single thing of his own initiative?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in Hebrew 5:7 he prayed and cried for GOD to hear him and give him mercy by saving him from death?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 1:18 he said “No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the FATHER’S side, has made HIM known.” Where do you see Trinity in this Verse?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 5:37 he said “And the FATHER who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS form,” Jesus and the GOD are different. People heard Jesus, but never heard GOD